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- Sporegorger_Dragon
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I can't believe they bungled this at the very last minute.
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- CommanderMaster999
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ok heres chapter 8 (don't click my spoiler tag on the previous page if you would like to learn the killer this way)
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic ... s-of-chaos
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic ... s-of-chaos
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How does that actually work, I wonder? How could one of Trostani's three constituent dryad minds concoct a murder plot without the other two, I mean.
I guess what's left to find out is why, what's going to become of the Selesnya guild now, and what Teysa's true fate/what her Phyrexian note were.
I guess what's left to find out is why, what's going to become of the Selesnya guild now, and what Teysa's true fate/what her Phyrexian note were.
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Im gonna claim that its all a "red herring"
Im thinking this is building up to a chase scene.
Im thinking this is building up to a chase scene.
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The N82O Molecule wrote: ↑4 months agoIm gonna claim that its all a "red herring"
Im thinking this is building up to a chase scene.
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Im pretty sure one third of Tronsani (oba) is infact the culrpit
Edit: turns out the profit knew all along Judith was trying to frame Rakdos so somewhat disregard my comment even though my thought for trostani still stands
Plus one art in the stream is Kaya binding Oba (arresting her basically)
Edit: turns out the profit knew all along Judith was trying to frame Rakdos so somewhat disregard my comment even though my thought for trostani still stands
Plus one art in the stream is Kaya binding Oba (arresting her basically)
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Continuing with chapter 4.
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This chapter is not giving me much. I appreciate my theory of Teysa orchestrating her own death is flat out denied by Kaya. I'm not so certain. Three days could be entirely the time Teysa needed to set something up, maybe faking her own death (the ghost never confirmed "dead"). It could be the 2nd murder is not a sequel, but a parallel or tangential event.
I was looking forward to more buddy-cop shenanigans from Sherlock and Deathstroke, but I suppose Ghost Gal and Fey Spawn are getting all the attention this time around.
Agrus Kos never gets to rest. Did we ever learn what happened to Feather after being broken from prison by Krenko? Wouldn't that be a reunion?
I was looking forward to more buddy-cop shenanigans from Sherlock and Deathstroke, but I suppose Ghost Gal and Fey Spawn are getting all the attention this time around.
Agrus Kos never gets to rest. Did we ever learn what happened to Feather after being broken from prison by Krenko? Wouldn't that be a reunion?
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CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑4 months agoThe N82O Molecule wrote: ↑4 months agoIm gonna claim that its all a "red herring"
Im thinking this is building up to a chase scene.SPOILERShowHideIm pretty sure one third of Tronsani (oba) is infact the culrpit
But what I think is gonna happen in episode 9 is Judith calls "BALONY!!!" on the claim on Oba 3rd of Trostani claim and saids the true culprit is Rakdos and saids she can prove it.
So her plan works on becoming the new guild leader of Rakdos
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There is so much now pointing at a selesnyan. But, im not ready to point at a tree root just yet.
But how do we get Rakdos to Thunder Junction.
I suspect that Judith isnt long for Ravnica, this Rados slander just cant continue. Rakdos will come in through the roof probably and good by Judith. And lets be honest, ever since Kytheon rode Rakdos im down to party with him to. So, dont take my Rakdos.
Lastly i dont think Teysa is dead anymore. We havent had a single shapeshifter yet. The phyrexian note probably reads "im not dead, i feel fine, i think ill go for a walk, i feel happy"
But how do we get Rakdos to Thunder Junction.
I suspect that Judith isnt long for Ravnica, this Rados slander just cant continue. Rakdos will come in through the roof probably and good by Judith. And lets be honest, ever since Kytheon rode Rakdos im down to party with him to. So, dont take my Rakdos.
Lastly i dont think Teysa is dead anymore. We havent had a single shapeshifter yet. The phyrexian note probably reads "im not dead, i feel fine, i think ill go for a walk, i feel happy"
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You sure about that?
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Because on Reddit someone pointed this out
Turns out it was staring us right in the face of Tronsani being the culprit… right there in Episode 1 (I'm not kidding)
Turns out it was staring us right in the face of Tronsani being the culprit… right there in Episode 1 (I'm not kidding)
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It all comes down……..
To this picture.
Why? ….. the one yellow flower on it's shoulder.
To this picture.
Why? ….. the one yellow flower on it's shoulder.
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You know, I bet Judith could have just asked. This assumes that the omenpaths are common knowledge.
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Well someone discovered this by freak accident
but the new Dual Surveil lands the borderless variant has a Panorama it forms letters and numbers it spells
RNA32X5+4
1. RNA thats the set code for "Ravnica Alliegence"
2. its probably 32 x 5 + 2 so that equals 164
and that leads to a card called Cult Guildmage
so what the key here...
but the new Dual Surveil lands the borderless variant has a Panorama it forms letters and numbers it spells
RNA32X5+4
1. RNA thats the set code for "Ravnica Alliegence"
2. its probably 32 x 5 + 2 so that equals 164
and that leads to a card called Cult Guildmage
so what the key here...
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Do you see the puppet the guildmage is using?
That is a puppet of...Jace.
Jace is probably being set up for something big.
That is a puppet of...Jace.
Jace is probably being set up for something big.
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It's all but certain that the figure from Alquist's dream was Jace, but does this also mean that Jace is being used as someone's puppet right now - going from a pawn of Phyrexia to a tool in someone else's game?
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Link to full story summary - warning: spoils the entire plot, including the mastermind, means, and motive.
I assume chapter 9 will be a chase scene / climactic fight, and chapter 10 will be denouement / wrap-up / stinger for the next set.
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Called it!
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I missed the motive ('revenge for the victims' involvement with the Phyrexian invasion'), but I would also argue it's a bit obtuse. I think we'll need to wait for the remaining story chapters to understand how Aurelia and Kylox are linked in.
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Hold on!void_nothing wrote: ↑4 months agoSPOILERShowHideIt's all but certain that the figure from Alquist's dream was Jace, but does this also mean that Jace is being used as someone's puppet right now - going from a pawn of Phyrexia to a tool in someone else's game?
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Oko knows how to mine control people and he's in the next set.
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Yup, we still don't know what Teysa's note says and what the hell Kylox was doing. Yes the motive is kind of obtuse, although the video's implied explanation for it does make sense - Trostani's facet of life taking revenge for all of the deaths of the invasion. I was actually sort of hoping for something WAY more sinister. Tolsimir trying to take the fall at the last second like a good high-level guildsman - and especially, I suppose, like a good Selesnyan - exposes the flaws in the guild system imo.
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Caught up to chapter 8.
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At the very end my suspected murderer was Vitu-Ghazi itself. I suppose Trostani using Vitu-Ghazi is not far off, but the idea that the murderer is a character that is unassuming by posing as a house really tickled me. "The murderer is in this room, or to be more precise: The murderer is the room. (Dun, Dun, DUN!)
A lot still to unravel in chapter 9. I wonder whether we get to know more of the plants origin. And I want a (partial, at least) resolution to the Phyrexian note. I don't necessarily expect a resolution to the intruder in the mind palace.
I like the florist clue.
A lot still to unravel in chapter 9. I wonder whether we get to know more of the plants origin. And I want a (partial, at least) resolution to the Phyrexian note. I don't necessarily expect a resolution to the intruder in the mind palace.
I like the florist clue.
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SecretInfiltrator wrote: ↑4 months agoCaught up to chapter 8.
Actual SpoilerShowHideAt the very end my suspected murderer was Vitu-Ghazi itself. I suppose Trostani using Vitu-Ghazi is not far off, but the idea that the murderer is a character that is unassuming by posing as a house really tickled me. "The murderer is in this room, or to be more precise: The murderer is the room. (Dun, Dun, DUN!)
A lot still to unravel in chapter 9. I wonder whether we get to know more of the plants origin. And I want a (partial, at least) resolution to the Phyrexian note. I don't necessarily expect a resolution to the intruder in the mind palace.
I like the florist clue.
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The stream did mention the proft theory on the motive
It was vengeance on all the victims (and attempted) got involved/used the phyrexians during the invasion
Zegana was testing the phyresis oil
Teysa was working with them (but he said she did it as a double agent to save ravnica) (most likely vraska or Jace was who she was working with)
Krenko used the phyrexians for his personal benefits
Its gonna be really interesting to see why the attempt on Aurelia since she's the least likely to be involved with phyrexians
It was vengeance on all the victims (and attempted) got involved/used the phyrexians during the invasion
Zegana was testing the phyresis oil
Teysa was working with them (but he said she did it as a double agent to save ravnica) (most likely vraska or Jace was who she was working with)
Krenko used the phyrexians for his personal benefits
Its gonna be really interesting to see why the attempt on Aurelia since she's the least likely to be involved with phyrexians
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Why does Rakdos go to thunder junction?
In the story proft called out Judith trying to frame Rakdos which means her plan is not gonna work
So two things come to mind.
1. Rakdos lets her become guild leader and leaves
2. Maybe Rakdos was involved after all.
In the story proft called out Judith trying to frame Rakdos which means her plan is not gonna work
So two things come to mind.
1. Rakdos lets her become guild leader and leaves
2. Maybe Rakdos was involved after all.
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Created a thread in the Storyline Speculation subforum to discuss what might come from this storyline that isn't directly related.
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Chapter 9, the Selesnyan one
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Trostani's motives explored in more detail. Quite satisfying, especially the part where she admitted to killing countless other victims who didn't receive as much attention because they weren't legendary Ravnican VIPs.
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Actually, now I get why Oba did it in the way she did, and I'll accept "extreme willpower/resentment directed at them as well" as the means that she hid it from the other two Trostani components. A murder you can't be punished for because you're part of a greater being with two others, who are innocent, is theoretically the perfect crime.
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I'm going to laugh so hard if they end up getting saved by Demon Ex Machina aka Rakdos swooping in.
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If he does do so, that will probably leave him with the best record for doing good things out of any of the paruns...
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So a tree root. I didnt expect it. And yet, yawn. A tree? Lol sure thing, in the world of magic,
All the lowryn trees are probably sitting in front of there tvs just loving this
All the lowryn trees are probably sitting in front of there tvs just loving this
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The fact that one trostani can boop the other two without question or issue is silly
And none of my speculation were correct, which makes me 100% inaccurate, so. . .perfect record 😆😆
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Niv-Mizzet: "Really, Trostani? REALLY? We gave a whole guild to Rakdos so he would stop doing this %$#!& and you decided you had to step up and do it instead?! I have here one formal complaint from one Rakdos, Parun against Selesnya, for 'encroaching on Rakdos murder/violence jurisdiction'. Does anybody else see how &!#$%&ing wrong that is?!"
Rakdos: "I wouldn't have minded if she just told me first!"
Rakdos: "I wouldn't have minded if she just told me first!"
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lolSporegorger_Dragon wrote: ↑4 months agoSPOILERShowHideI'm going to laugh so hard if they end up getting saved by Demon Ex Machina aka Rakdos swooping in.
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Truthfully I could see Judith waking him up and releasing Agrus kos just to stop Oba
And how rakdos goes to thunder junction is letting Judith become a guild leader
And how rakdos goes to thunder junction is letting Judith become a guild leader
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CommanderMaster999 wrote: ↑4 months agoYou sure about that?
SPOILERShowHideBecause on Reddit someone pointed this out
Turns out it was staring us right in the face of Tronsani being the culprit… right there in Episode 1 (I'm not kidding)
SPOILERShowHideIt all comes down……..
To this picture.
Why? ….. the one yellow flower on it's shoulder.
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Sorry, but what am i to know of the yellow flower? Are you saying that this is a "clue" that the culprit is selesnyan, and the three flower pistils an implication?
Is it the fact that they put a selesnyan creature art in the story in the first place?
Idk much about Rav in depth so im just asking, and thanks
And well done 😆
Is it the fact that they put a selesnyan creature art in the story in the first place?
Idk much about Rav in depth so im just asking, and thanks
And well done 😆