Vesperlark and Tarmogoyf
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Hi, for example I have a tarmogoyf in the graveyard. My vesperlark on the field dies. Is tarmogoyf power a 0 when it is in the yard? Can I use lark ability to return it to play?
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That depends on what's in everyone's graveyard. Since Tarmogoyf has what's called a characteristic-defining ability setting its power and toughness (604.3), its power in all zones is equal to the number of card types among cards in graveyards. If the 'goyf is the only card in any graveyard then absolutely it has 1 power.
Contrast e.g. Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar, whose power and toughness are increased on the battlefield by an ordinary static ability; he's a 0/0 on every zone that ISN'T the battlefield.
Go to full postContrast e.g. Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar, whose power and toughness are increased on the battlefield by an ordinary static ability; he's a 0/0 on every zone that ISN'T the battlefield.
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That depends on what's in everyone's graveyard. Since Tarmogoyf has what's called a characteristic-defining ability setting its power and toughness (604.3), its power in all zones is equal to the number of card types among cards in graveyards. If the 'goyf is the only card in any graveyard then absolutely it has 1 power.
Contrast e.g. Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar, whose power and toughness are increased on the battlefield by an ordinary static ability; he's a 0/0 on every zone that ISN'T the battlefield.
Contrast e.g. Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar, whose power and toughness are increased on the battlefield by an ordinary static ability; he's a 0/0 on every zone that ISN'T the battlefield.
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Depends on other things in yards. Tarmogoyf's power is the same in all zones.
This is kinda like how a phantasmal image copying reveillark can bring itself back (since the image is in the yard when the ability goes on the stack).
Might be missing some context to your question there but the crux of your question I think is is Goyf's power 0 in other zones (kinda like Knight of the reliquary's ability is only active when it's on the field) and it is the same in all zones.
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Ultimately if it's the only thing in the yard you can get it since it has 1 power.
If goyf is in the yard it's a 1/2 if nothing else is in any yards. When the vesperlark dies it will still be a 1/2 unless other things are in the yard. Vesperlark's ability will see itself in the yard for determining Goyf's power of course since it's in the yard when the ability goes on the stack -- but that is irrelevant since it's the same type as goyf.
The ability that defines Tarmogoyf's power and toughness works in all zones, not just the battlefield. If Tarmogoyf is in your graveyard, it will count itself.
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This is kinda like how a phantasmal image copying reveillark can bring itself back (since the image is in the yard when the ability goes on the stack).
Might be missing some context to your question there but the crux of your question I think is is Goyf's power 0 in other zones (kinda like Knight of the reliquary's ability is only active when it's on the field) and it is the same in all zones.
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Ultimately if it's the only thing in the yard you can get it since it has 1 power.
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One more thing that's not relevant in and of itself to the Vesperlark interaction and that pokken and I have been dancing around: It's impossible for a Tarmogoyf card in a graveyard to have 0 power. It will effectively count itself and thus always get +1 to base power and toughness for being a creature card in a graveyard.
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Their interaction is not as good as I had hoped. Removed lark from my deck.
Anyway, I learned something new today. Thanks both for the detailed explanation.
Anyway, I learned something new today. Thanks both for the detailed explanation.
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