weltkrieg wrote: ↑2 years ago
There are some definite things I would consider in this deck that you're not already doing.
Really appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
Enchantment land ramp is a good idea with land untappers. In that case, I would -llanowar elves, -fyndhorn elves, +utopia sprawl, +wild growth.
I think this is a good suggestion. How do you feel about Sylvan Caryatid vs. 1 mana elf?
Your land untappers are an eclectic mess. Why magus of the candelabra or hope tender? They really aren't that good unless the land produces more than 3 mana or you are using them on lands that produce 3 or more mana. Yes, I do understand that the point is to get nykthos and go nuts, but that won't always happen. I use magus of the candelabra in my sasaya, orochi ascendant deck. In there it is obscene, but I would not use it in a deck that only aims for at most one mana doubler on the battlefield. Since this is edh and apparently not a CEDH deck, I would run slightly more expensive but generally better land untappers. In this case, I refer specifically to
Krosan Restorer and
Argothian Elder . They cost no mana to activate and have other applications.
I have the two you suggested, but found I had too many of these effects. In the end, I decided to go with the ones that were best with Nykthos and
Ashaya, Soul of the Wild (not in my list because I didn't buy it yet). Maybe Hope Tender should be switched with Argothonian Elder, but I just wanted to try the ones with the lower mana cost. Also want to add
Kogla, the Titan Ape, which with haste enabler and Nykthos, can make infinite man with the human untappers.
By other applications, I mean I see stone seeder hierophant and ley weaver already in your list.
1. With
Ley Weaver /
Argothian Elder /
Krosan Restorer w/thresh hold: You can attack with the multi land untapper, use
Maze of Ith on the multi land untapper to untap it, then untap maze of ith+a mana production land for infinite mana during combat. Mana sink of some form should do the trick.
. I don't have much use for infinite mana during combat. Polukranos is the only interesting mana sink I would have and I don't think it's great. I am aware of the combo though and will keep it on my radar.
SSH is already amazing in my deck with my general - replaying nykthos over and over again and getting multiple activations will end the game. I am not looking to run enough basics for these other options. The fact is that I have a lot of land tutors and prefer to have the options of using my lands as a toolbox.
I don't want Amulet as it has no synergy with my deck. It's a good combo but not really what I am after. I have no way to tutor Amulet and I don't want the dead draw when I don't have the other pieces of the combo.
Considering what you're trying to do, I think
Manascape Refractor is a good idea. I wouldn't remove a good cmc 2 ramper for it, though. Maybe selvala, heart of the wilds instead? She isn't doing much unless you've already got a huge creature on the battlefield and therefore already likely winning.
. Selvala draws cards though. Gets me 3 mana with my general. I think it's good enough. The card draw is important especially when I get Ashaya in here.
There are many other tricks you could consider, but these are certainly a few of my favorites.
Appreciate the conversation.
. Ancient Greenwarden I will try out eventually. I don't have it yet (and I don't have the MDFCs either) because I haven't ordered the cards yet. I was hoping to draft my box of Zendikar Rising first. When I add more fetches I will play up the graveyard recursion for sure.
So many non-basics so I have good targets for my land tutors after I get Nykthos out. Are there any you find particularly weak? I looked through it and could consider cutting
Path of Ancestry but I don't see anything else really.
The cycling lands make sense with life from the loam (and ways to discard lands for effects), but you're really not built for that synergy otherwise. I could go on, but I think more basics and a few special targeted non basics is a better way to go.
cycling lands are great with my general to get some late game card draw. That's the other synergy.
I am making 40-200 mana in the late game regularly, so translating lands into extra late game raw is just great.
Really appreciate your insights.
Let me know your thoughts on Caryatid vs Elf! Might change up the untappers a bit.
I think
Augur of Autumn will replace
Vizier of the Menagerie and
Outland Liberator // Frenzied Trapbreaker will replace
Thrashing Brontodon.
With the recent rotation I will be making a black friday order for a few missing cards for this deck: Ashaya, MDFCs,
Kogla, the Titan Ape (combo with human untappers +
Urabrask the Hidden), Fabled Passage. Maybe more.